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the study that I'll be talking about

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today in relation to the entire body of

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previous mediumship research which is

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not terribly large has several upgrades

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I guess we could call them the mediums

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that participated in this study are

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prescreened and certified

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is just claimant mediums that

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participate in other studies each item

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in each reading was scored for accuracy

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in the study and there are additional

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levels of blinding beyond what has been

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previously reported the protocol that we

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uses quintuple blind has five levels of

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controls that account for all the normal

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local sensory explanations for the

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accuracy of the statements that the

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mediums provide so in this quintuple

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blind protocol we start with the medium

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but it's not any old medium off the

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street

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we like I said we pre-screen our mediums

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David Fontana author of the book is

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there an afterlife emphasized the quote

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obvious necessity to have trial runs

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with mediums and then to work only with

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those mediums who appear to perform well

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so at the wind bridge Institute we use

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an eight step screening and training

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procedure at the end of which if someone

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successfully completes these eight steps

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then they're termed a wind bird

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certified research medium so for this

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study the the most important step is

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step five which are the test readings

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which use protocols that mimic what the

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mediums go on to participate in in the

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study that I'll be talking about today

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so we start in this protocol with a

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blinded research medium and at a

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scheduled time I call the medium during

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the reading it's just the medium and me

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on the phone there's no sitter involved

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the mediums are all over the country and

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I have been emailed the first name of a

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deceased person a discs are knit by a

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research assistant and so all that the

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medium and I have is this first name of

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the deceased person so I give the name

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to the media

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and then she does a reading so the

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discourage name is Susie and then we do

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a Susie reading and then on a different

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day we have a different name we do it

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again during those readings I ask the

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medium to report the answers to these

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four questions what did the discarnate

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look like in his or her physical life

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describe the personality of the

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discarnate what were the discarnate

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hobbies activities or interests and what

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was the discarnates cause of death so

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after the readings take place then I

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transcribe and format each reading into

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a list of numbered items and I have

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removed all reference to either of the

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names in either of the readings and then

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each of those lists of items is sent to

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each of the two associated sitters the

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living people who have lost and want to

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hear from the two discarnate so each of

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the two readings are sent to each of the

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two sitters so the each sitter serves as

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a control for the other sitters so each

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sitter scores a target reading and a

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decoy reading but they don't know which

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is which because they're just called a

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and B so for each two readings we get

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two sets of scores and during scoring

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the sitters answer this question about

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each item in each reading so how well

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does the information fit and they can

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score it as obvious fit fit requiring

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minimal or more than minimal

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interpretation fit it fits someone other

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than the name discarnate or it doesn't

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fit at all or I don't know I don't have

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enough information to gauge the accuracy

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of the statement when we calculate the

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percent accuracy we tally up the items

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that were scored obvious fits fits

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requiring minimal interpretation that we

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divide that by the total items minus the

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I don't knows and then with that's the

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number that we call hits those are the

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that's the percent accuracy at the end

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of the of scoring each item in the

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reading The Sitter also gives the entire

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reading of one score from 0 to 6 of 6

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being excellent reading including strong

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aspects of communication and with

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which is

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correct information or communication and

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then we asked each sitter pick the

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reading which seems to be more

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applicable to you even if they both seem

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forced choice though it's all the data

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that we collect for each reading so as

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an example in this case a sitter one

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might give a 5 and B a 2 and 2 might

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give a a 1 and B 4 and then they might

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make these choices that's a kind of

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indicative of the kind of numbers that

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we see so the five levels of blinding in

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this quintuple blinded protocol the

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research medium is blinded to all

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discarnates before during and after the

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during scoring again they don't know

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procedures is blind to which mediums are

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going to read which sitters which item

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lists go with which discarnates

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etcetera the experimenter who interacts

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with the medium is blinded that's me is

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sitters and the discard it's beyond the

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and which is the decoy for each sitter

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so everybody pretty much is blind to

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everything and this quintuple blind

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protocol controls for all the normal

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explanations that so-called skeptics

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site as being explanations for the

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accuracy of medium statements

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it can't be fraud because there's no way

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this medium can you know search through

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the trash for your credit card number

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even if I wanted to we joke the medium

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can say I'm getting pain in my head I

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think that there's and I can't say do

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you mean kidney cancer I can't I can't

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do that because I only have the first

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name so cueing is out

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it can't be cold reading since the

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medium and the sitter never interact

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with each other the statements some one

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explanation that skeptics cite is oh the

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statements are so general they could

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apply to anyone all she said was their

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person misses you and they love you and

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but we specifically asked the medium to

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answer questions so they it can't be

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general because we we sort of force them

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to answer these specific questions and

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then rater biases out because the

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sitters rate the readings without

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knowing which one is theirs and then we

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of the target reading and and their

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score of the decoy reading in addition

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address precognition as explanatory for

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the results because we don't give them

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any feedback they can't look into a

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future time in which we told them which

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items were correct so let's talk about

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some data the data that I'll talk about

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today is from an ongoing study 14

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certified mediums have participated for

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twenty eight pairs of readings that we

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sent out for scoring only 23 pairs came

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back and only 21 had usable data so

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we'll talk about those 21 pairs of data

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today so for the overall score that the

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average score given to target readings

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reading as their own again a significant

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items in each reading the the overall

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medium effect size and if we look at the

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item percent accuracy by those four

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hobbies quite significantly point zero

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accuracy I had thought that the shorter

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readings wrote be more accurate but then

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so I think that was my own personal bias

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and when I ran the numbers it didn't it

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didn't turn out so the number of items

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her reading was not related to overall

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score or percent accuracy so these data

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all support the existence of the

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phenomena we call anomalous information

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reception or AI R which is the

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phenomenon where certain mediums can

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report accurate and specific information

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about deceased individuals with no prior

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knowledge about the deceased people or

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this data is indicative of some sort of

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non-local transfer of information about

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deceased people but we keep with this

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data we cannot say that it comes from

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deceased people so there are two

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prevailing head-to-head arguments about

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what it is so on the one hand survival

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of consciousness the deceased people

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have survived the death of their bodies

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and they are communicating with the

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mediums just like you or I would

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communicate with them and then on the

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other hand is the explanation of sigh

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the medium is using telepathy or

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clairvoyance to get the information

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about the deceased people and we can

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collect this type of data till the end

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of time it will never let us distinguish

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between those two items the content of

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the information can never let us

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determine the source we can always say

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it's anomalous they got it from

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somewhere that wasn't through local

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sensory means that we can't discern the

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source from the content we get a lot of

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emails from people saying I have solved

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this survival versus I debate I I did it

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I know how to do it and these are the

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things that they usually say I a medium

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reported to me information I didn't know

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at the time but later I looked at I

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could I was able to verify and I looked

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it up or I talked to people and indeed

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it was true so that's clearly survived

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nope that's precognition I can easily be

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explained as precognition because once

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you verify it now it exists now you know

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it so that can it still can fall under

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the Sai heading the other one is oh the

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media reported information that only the

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discarnate knew but then you have to

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look it up to verify it and at that

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point it it is now in the in the pool

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for precognition to to get a hold of it

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and then even in with physical

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mediumship which we do not study yet at

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the Wynn Byrd Institute so it's not

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people will report physical mediumship

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as evidence of survival but it

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psychokinesis is also an explanation

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that could be put forth for that however

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though the content of

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information cannot help us distinguish

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between the two the mediums actual

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experiences can so historically

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mediumship research involves trance

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mediums who were unconscious and a

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spirit entity took over the body and

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talked through the mediums physiology

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and anatomy and so they had no conscious

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recollection of what was happening

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during the readings the mediums today

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are that we work with our mental mediums

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so they have full they're fully

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conscious during the readings and their

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experiences are during part of their

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services they ought that they offer to

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clients they do psychic readings for the

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living so they know what's I feels like

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and according to their reports this

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feels different and this feels like

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communication and so we have engaged in

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an entire research program where we're

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we're systematically looking at the

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mediums experiences during one study a

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medium concisely put it a psychic

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reading is like reading a book and a

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mediumship reading is like seeing a play

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so they're very very different

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experiences so the mediums personally in

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their personal experience they can

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clearly distinguish between survival and

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sigh so again we have a an entire

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research program dedicated to look

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systematically looking at the the

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experiences of the mediums that's a

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story for another day I only had 15

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minutes I do have some handouts if

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you're interested you can grab a handout

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for me or there's a lot of information

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on our on our website about this so at

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this time we cannot answer these

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questions are mediums communicating with

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the deceased or do they get their

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information using SCI and Ken the mind

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exists without the body is there life

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after death

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I want to thank the other Windridge

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researchers mark Adam Mike and Chad

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especially Chad since he is currently at

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our house babysitting our sweet dog I'd

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want to thank the SSC for having me all

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the Windward certified research mediums

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who participated the Wynn Birds

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Institute scientific advisory board the

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bee owl foundation and the wind Birds

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Institute members for their support and

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thank you all for your attention and I'm

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happy to take any questions

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[Applause]

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Thank You Julie we have a five minutes

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for question we'll begin with mark

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thanks Julia interesting talk I just had

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another question about your protocol

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obviously good attention to blinding do

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the sitters know that one of these

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readings that they're going to look at

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is the quote real one and one of they

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control could they both be controls but

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they both be quote real from different

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mediums what do they know about that we

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tell them that one is intended for them

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and one is not

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but without fail I get a lot of

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responses up neither of these mediums

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talked to my person so not only do they

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not recognize or they not remember or

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understand that not only is it one

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medium doing both of those readings but

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only one was even supposed to be yours

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so I we do tell them one of these is

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yours because when we say pick which one

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you think is yours that it would give it

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away at that point so we do tell them

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you're gonna score them each as to how

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they apply to your person but only one

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of them was during one only one was it

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the name of your person actually given

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Kathleen Barrett did a dissertation that

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looked not only on the phenomenological

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experience of mediums but also of the

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beans they were channeling oh wow which

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is interesting so you may want to look

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at that dissertation the fact that you

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had the lowest score rate on personality

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is to me the strongest evidence I've

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ever seen that this is coming from a dis

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Carnot source because generally speaking

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people have a very poor concept of their

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own personality and if it's a stranger

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who's and analyzed unit they're more apt

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to be accurate

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that's so indirectly that's the most

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strong evidence I've seen that you're

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actually getting it from the source

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because when we saw it we thought the

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opposite like oh no this is very

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indicative of side because it's they're

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not getting the yeah that's really

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interesting I hadn't thought it thank

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you for that

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that way the notion of mediumship is

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communication involved implies that the

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discarnate is cooperating in the process

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somehow have you thought of addressing

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the survival versus I hypothesis by

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looking at the

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a belief system philosophy or religion

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of the discarnate to see if there's a

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difference in accuracy rates between

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discarnates who might be expected to

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accurate actively cooperate versus those

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who given their beliefs in life would

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probably resist or be hostile when we

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screen sitters we ask a question because

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we want to optimize in addition to

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maximizing controls we want to optimize

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the condition so people say well you

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know why don't you use skeptics and

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sitters well if I was dead and you were

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saying to me this is all bunk

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I want to hear from Julie why would I

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waste my time coming to talk to you so

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that doesn't optimize the process so one

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of the other things that we do is we ask

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the sitter's you know do you think in

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your opinion do you think this person

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will want to come and talk to you and

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and we only work with the people whose

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answer yes but just anecdotally we do

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get when we ask for personality and you

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know a lot of spontaneous things come up

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that don't fall into these categories of

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these questions we do often hear like

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yeah this person would not have thought

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would not have been cool with this at

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all when they were alive so

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spontaneously we are getting that some

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people you know and the same thing with

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oh they were really into this sort of

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thing when they were alive so we do get

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both sides and I haven't looked at

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correlating that with accuracy but I

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have seen both it seems clear that the

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sitters have the sense that the reading

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that they're getting addresses the

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specific person they're interested in I

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wonder if you could share with us some

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of the experiences that the sitters have

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upon hearing not just identification

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material but messages as it were

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communications from the disc Arnott and

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really kind of what the personal or

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spiritual value is that they take from

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the experience of receiving this

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communication this is also very blinded

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that it's all through email so the

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sitter's just get sent the readings

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then they can make comments and send

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them back but we're not looking at those

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specifically and we do have a third of

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research program that we're interested

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in where we look at the effect of

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mediumship readings on grief so we have

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we have an entire research program to

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look at that and I've handouts for that

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too if anyone wants to look at that

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where we're looking at the effect on the